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Pricing cont’d – Amber Allure

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Next up is Amber Allure. I’ve had a long-standing grudge against Amber Allure due to the huge margins and small text with seemingly high prices. So really when I started this pricing guide, Amber Allure was always in my sights. Not to mention the discounts on the site but not on e-tailers. So I know they’re playing a little shifty with their pricing but are my frustrations justified or just perception? To start with, if you google “amber allure” nothing comes up. Ok, yet another frustration but let’s attempt to move on to the site itself.

 

Now one thing I have to say for AA is that they are extremely clear on their word counts. They explain that they don’t list page count but word count, which works perfectly for me.

    • Amber Brief:                    2,500 – 4,999 Words        $1.50 / Discounted $1.00
    • Amber Kiss:                     5,000 – 10,000 Words      $3.00 / Discounted $2.25
    • Extended Amber Kiss:      11,000 – 17,000 Words     $4.00 / Discounted $3.00
    • Novella:                          18,000 – 29,000 Words     $5.00 / Discounted $3.75
    • Extended Novella:            30,000 – 40,000 Words     $6.00 / Discounted $4.50
    • Novel:                             41,000 – 70,000 Words     $7.00 / Discounted $5.25
    • Extended Novel:               71,000+ Words                $8.00 / Discounted $6.00

Thank you AA! There are 364 titles under the Amber Allure imprint which includes at least a dozen or more paperback collections and ménage books. AA doesn’t exist at FW or ARe, but instead is uploaded under the parent umbrella of Amber Quill.

 

Doing an exhaustive check of their listed word counts and prices with both FW and ARe, I feel confident that AA is listing accurate counts. AA tends to round down, which is fine, as FW and ARe both come very close to the stated word counts. So for once, there is no a big discrepancy between the publisher and other outlets! This actually makes life SO much easier when everything is not only consistent but clear. This made me so happy, my grudge almost lifted.

 

So what does this mean?

 

No links for you!

I use the links to show the discrepancies which always exist but somehow AA has shown such close consistency there’s no need. The word counts are extremely consistent and the price listed for FW/ARe matches the AA site exactly for every single book. Shocking!

 

 

Pricing for AA is more difficult though. For starters, everything offered on the AA publisher site is discounted by 25%. However the price at e-tailers such as ARe or FW is the full price. For example:

 

11k Extended Amber Kiss for $4.00, discounted to $3.00 on AA is $4 on ARe and FW.

http://www.amberquill.com/AmberAllure/Fugue.html

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-fugue-11278-147.html

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b84065/Fugue/Rick-R-Reed/?si=0

 

So clearly you’re not getting the best price to shop at e-tailers as this trend follows with ALL the categories listed. So let’s break down what that means for the price per word.

 

The lowest book I found was 3400 words and the highest was 80,000 words.

Of the 364 titles listed, the overwhelming majority are Extended Amber Kiss or Novella. There are only a handful of Novels and Extended Novels. 

If you’re buying from the AA site which includes a base 25% discount, this is the price per word. There is a huge spike in cost in their Amber Kiss category ($2.25 for 5k words).

 

 

What if you buy from ARe/FW? As you’d expect, the trend is the same, just more expensive.

 

 

Now how does it stack up with other publishers? Well this is a little messy.

 

 

Well this is a little messy.

So looking at short stories with other publishers, Amber Allure is some of the most expensive. However, if you buy from their site (thick red line), it’s considerably more affordable.

 

 

As for longer length, novella and up, Amber still tends to be one of the most expensive publishers. Without the discount from Amber, the publisher is now the leading MOST expensive. Only Noble eclipses AA – even DSP and Loose Id are cheaper!

However with the discount, AA comes middle of the road to cheapest at the high end.

 

So what does all of this mean?

 

Well it means that AA is incredibly consistent, which is very good to know. They keep a consistent pricing and word count strategy that transfers over to retailers as well. Unfortunately it also means that depending where you shop, AA can be the most expensive or one of the cheapest publishers.

 

To get your money’s worth from AA you HAVE to shop at their website. If you don’t, you’re likely to pay up to $2 MORE for the same book which means you’re definitely not getting your money’s worth.

 

If you shop at the AA website, Amber Allure is pretty competitive price wise among publishers, though they tend to specialize in 10k to 30k word stories. They have considerably fewer 40k+ stories than other publishers.

 

Bottom Line

 

Don’t shop at retailers. Shop at the publisher. I can’t stress this enough.

The rest of the series can be found HERE!

 

Gay for you – abfab or horrible?

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Recently a gay friend of mine asked me “What is it with gay for you stories? Why do chicks like them?” I tried to come up with a great, thorough explanation on the spot about masculine men and fantasies and really had no idea. So I’m asking!

 

Do you like Gay for You story lines?

Why or why not?

 

Is it because the idea of turning a straight guy gay is appealing?

Or is it tapping into a fantasy of that straight guy getting it on with a hot gay guy?

Or even does it fuel a sort of fantasy thinking that a hot gay guy will turn straight for you?

 

I’m trying to think why I like them and I can’t say that I prefer them as a theme more than other ideas. I like the yaoi gay for you exaggerated stories because they’re fun, clever, and usually outrageous. But the average best friends turns lovers (one is suddenly gay) tends to be a hard sell, but can still work.

 

I’d love to know your thoughts.

The One!

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If you could only buy from ONE publisher out of the current group of e-publishers, which would you choose? 

Feel free to say why as well, or not! And if your preferred publisher isn’t listed add that too! Here’s elisa’s comprehensive list of publishers: LIST!

Pricing cont’d – Loose Id

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Next up on the publisher scrutiny is the ever popular Loose Id. Claiming to be a leading publisher in erotic romance while publishing 16 to 24 new titles a month. In my experience they have a bevy of good authors but their editing is crap (common lament in e-publishing) and more and more their stories focus on sex and less story. In fact recent stories have been almost all sex and no story because Loose Id clearly feels this is what readers want. Lots of splooging dick = deep emotional connection. I’d like to say, um, since when? But how about price for this publisher.

 

You’ll find Loose’s guidelines for length under Submissions and not the first place a reader would go to for information. They specify the following:

 

Length
20,000-120,000 words. Flings of less than 20,000 words and shorter stories are by invitation only to authors currently publishing with us. Stories of 55,000 – 70,000 words will receive an advance and be automatically considered for print.

 

Well ok that’s pretty broad if you ask me so let’s attempt to break it down into the categories they use but don’t list anywhere. There are a number of different categories and it’s hard to find any kind of consistency on their website. Not to mention Loose Id’s “search function” is a complete waste. Don’t bother since when I search for the exact title of a book, I get 245 responses. Yea. Useless.

 

They offer 772 books currently on their website with no word counts listed. FW lists 634 tiles while ARe lists 616. Within that 772, there are 261 listed under Gay, Lesbian, & Transgendered. I went through and counted for m/m specifically and there are 251 titles that are m/m or m/m/m. So that accounts for ~30% of the titles. I’m pretty surprised there is talk about Loose Id being primarily m/m.

 

Now for the categories:

 

Novella                   $3.99, $4.99                                               

Novel                      $5.99, $6.99, $7.99

Anthology (Novel)    $6.99

Novel Plus               $7.99

 

Short Stories

Fling                      $3.49, $3.99

Rites of Spring        $1.99

8 RoS – 6 for $1.99, 1 for $0.99, 1 for $1.25

 

Stocking Stuffer     $1.99, $2.25, $3.99

6 SS – 4 for $1.99, 1 for $2.25, 1 for $3.99

 

Holiday Kisses        $1.99, $2.49

6 HK  — 5 for $2.49, 1 for $1.99

 

So doing a cursory look there is a wide range of prices – even within the same category. This doesn’t bode well but how can you tell a $5.99 novel from a $7.99 novel and that from a $7.99 novel plus?! And why is a Holiday kiss for $1.99 but also $2.49?

 

Lets look further:

 

 

Now when looking at available titles for word counts from FW and ARe, I found very similar word counts on both sites for Loose Id. I’ve included both whenever possible so you can feel the same confidence. I’ve also attempted to stay to the m/m titles ONLY, but I did find some interesting trends within the m/f titles. 

 

So while Loose Id doesn’t explain what it defines as a $5.99 novel versus a $7.99 extended novel, logic dictates this is based on word count. So upon very close examination I found the following breakdown:

 

Novels

 

70k words + books are either $6.99 or $7.99 novels/novel plus. I can find NO CONSISTENT DIFFERENCE between a $6.99 novel and a $7.99 novel and a $7.99 novel plus.

 

Loose lists 38 Novels/Novels plus for $7.99 and 57 Novels for $6.99.

 

No matter where you buy from the price is consistent, you’ll pay the same price on the Loose Id website as you will at ARe or FW. But why are you paying more for the book is apparently arbitrary.

 

Take a look:

 

$7.99 Loose Novel / 220,209 for $7.99 ARe / 217,595 for $7.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-A_Red_Tainted_Silence-323.aspx

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-aredtaintedsilence-11908-149.html

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b75775/?si=0

 

 

$7.99 Loose Novel / 109,871 for $6.99 ARE/ 108,801 for $6.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Laying_a_Ghost_1__Laying_a_Ghost-86.aspx

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b64026/Laying-a-Ghost-/Jane-Davitt/?si=0

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-ghost1layingaghost-7024-144.html

 

 

$7.99 Loose Novel PLUS / 108,546 for $7.99 ARe / 108,150 for $7.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Hawkins_Ranch__Knowing_Caleb-789.aspx

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b77725/Knowing-Caleb/Cameron-Dane/?si=0

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-knowingcaleb-12694-144.html

 

 

$7.99 Loose Novel PLUS / 100,465 for $7.99 ARe /100,291 for $7.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Dolphin_Dreams-373.aspx

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-dolphindreams-7199-144.html

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b64982/Dolphin-Dreams/Jules-Jones/?si=0

 

 

$7.99 Loose Novel PLUS / 82,688 for $7.99 ARe / 82,801 for $7.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Drawn_Together-915.aspx

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-drawntogether-16402-144.html

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b87766/Drawn-Together/ZA-Maxfield/?si=0

 

 

Now there might be a different classification but the books are all $7.99 so the wording may not matter so much. To me it’s confusing and why would you have such a designation when it’s arbitrary? But at least the price is consistent.. right?

 

Well anything under 85k starts to bounce between $6.99 and $7.99 with no consistency.

 

 

$6.99 Loose Novel /82,417 for $6.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Tainted_Love-279.aspx

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b84575/Tainted-Love/Louisa-Trent/?si=0

 

$6.99 Loose Novel / 82,354 for $6.99 ARe / 81,780 for $6.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Courtesan-36.aspx

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-courtesan-14306-147.html

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b78415/Courtesan/Louisa-Trent/?si=0

 

$7.99 Loose Novel / 82,015 for $7.99 ARe / 80,929 for $7.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Laying_a_Ghost_2__Giving_Up_the_Ghost-419.aspx

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-ghost2givinguptheghost-8582-144.html

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b67184/Giving-Up-the-Ghost-/Jane-Davitt/?si=0

 

$6.99 Loose Novel/ 74,339 for $6.99 ARe / 74,324 for $6.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-The_Tin_Star-184.aspx

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-thetinstar-13178-144.html

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b77750/The-Tin-Star/J-L-Langley/?si=0

 

$6.99 Loose Novel/ 74,206 for $6.99 ARe / 74,114 for $6.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-The_Swithin_Chronicles_1__Uly_s_Comet-291.aspx

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-theswithinchronicles1ulyscomet-10884-144.html

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b72741/Ulys-Comet-/Sharon-Maria-Bidwell/?si=0

 

$7.99 Loose Novel Plus / 73,983 for $7.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Immortality_is_the_Suck-1000.aspx

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b96811/Immortality-is-the-Suck/AM-Riley/?si=0

 

$6.99 Loose Novel / 70,594 for $6.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Jock_Dorm_1__Dar_and_Gregg-318.aspx

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b52422/Dar-and-Gregg-/Bobby-Michaels/?si=0

 

$7.99 Loose Novel / 70,100 for $7.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Jock_Dorm_2__Drew_and_Vince-412.aspx

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b52423/Drew-and-Vince-/Bobby-Michaels/?si=0

 

So really you’re paying up to $1 for the same length of a book. There is no consistency or apparent reason for the difference in price as it jumps up and down between $6.99 and $7.99.

 

Now between 50k and 70k, the novels go to $6.99. The MAJORITY of books are $6.99 but there are several books for $5.99 with, again, no discernable reason for the reduction. It’s not a discount. It’s not based on word count, author, or cover artist. It seems completely random.

 

$6.99 Loose Novel / 61753 for $5.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Lord_and_Master-406.aspx

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b52418/Lord-and-Master/Jules-Jones/?si=0

 

$5.99 Loose Novel / 57,431 for $5.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Romentics__Nick_of_Time-666.aspx

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b76599/Nick-of-Time-/Scott-and-Scott/?si=0

 

$6.99 Loose Novel / 57280 for $6.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-St__Nacho_s-833.aspx

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b83816/St-Nachos/ZA-Maxfield/?si=0

 

$5.99 Loose Novel / 56374 for $5.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Spindrift-138.aspx

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b78017/Spindrift/Jules-Jones/?si=0

 

$6.99 Loose Novel / 55573 for $6.99 ARe / 55621 for $6.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Temptations__Inc_-588.aspx

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-temptationsinc-9907-145.html

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b70447/Temptation-Inc/Willa-Okati/?si=0

 

$5.99 Loose Novel / 53088 for $5.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Forgotten_Song-61.aspx

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b74336/Forgotten-Song/Ally-Blue/?si=0

 

$6.99 Loose Novel / 53029 for $6.99 FW

http://www.loose-id.com/prod-Dreaming_of_Dragons-921.aspx

http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/b92122/Dreaming-of-Dragons/T-A-Chase/?si=0

 

 

So again, you could be paying $1 more for the same word count or less! There seems to be no consistent pricing between this 50k-70k word count area. That’s frustrating and costly!

 

Now 38k to 50k books are all $5.99 priced novels. There are a few outliers but not enough to be statistically significant and form a pattern – unlike the above which are just a smattering of examples in a larger trend.  At least here there is some consistency.

 

Now between 20k to 38k word counts though there is the bouncing from $4.99 novella to $5.99 novel – even a few $3.99. I haven’t included the links here because this post is getting epic but I have them and can provide links if anyone wants. I listed the book name instead. Remember the prices are the same no matter where you shop.

 

 

$4.99 Novella  – Jet Mykles’ Heaven Sent 2 Purgatory

37366 ARe / 37413 FW

 

$5.99 Novel – Willa Okati’s Incubus Call

36285 ARe / 36229 FW

 

$4.99 Novella – Josh Lanyon’s The Dark Horse

36224 ARe / 35958 FW

 

$5.99 Novel – Blue Ruin 1: Some Kind of Stranger by Katrina Strauss

35656 ARe / 35676 for $5.99

 

$4.99 Novella – Don’t Look Back by Josh Lanyon

34,688 ARe / 34795 FW

 

$3.99 Novella – The Dragon’s Tongue by Willa Okati  

28668 ARe / 28523 FW

 

$4.99 Novella – Bound by Deception  by Ava March

24,231 ARe / 24330 FW

 

$3.99 Novella – Jet Mykles’ Tech Support 

20525 ARe / 20655 FW

 

$4.99 Novella – Amanda Young’s Reckless Behavior

20008 ARe/ 20309 FW

 

Between 8k -20k word counts the books marked Novellas are all $3.99.

 

We haven’t even gotten into short stories yet either. Loose Id doesn’t upload their short stories in the form of Flings, Holiday Kisses, Rites of Spring, Stocking Stuffers and so on. Here there is absolutely NO consistency in pricing. Within each category there are offerings anywhere from $0.99 to $3.99. There are flings side by side that are $3.99 with a $0.99 Fling!

 

Now since there are no word counts listed I went through the various flings I owned. This was difficult because I have no folder called Loose Id Fling ebooks. So I had to go through a bunch. Ugh. Anyway, let me summarize that work to say that of the ones I checked, the average word count was 3400.

 

 

 

So you still here? Awake? Interested?

 

Here is the breakdown for the cost within the publisher:

 

 

 

 

So there clearly isn’t a lot of consistency within pricing but how does it compare to other publishers? 

 

This graph is getting pretty busy! I’ll soon have to figure out something out but for now look at the blue. While Loose ID isn’t consistent – it’s very interesting. At lower word counts, it’s one of the most expensive, only to be elipsed by the absolute mess of pricing over at loveyoudivine (LYD). But once it gets into novella range, Loose Id is actually one of the cheapest! Considering it’s giving TQ a run for the money with Loose Id’s MUCH MUCH MUCH better cover art than the child’s crayon pictures of TQ – Loose Id is a better bang for you buck Novella length.

 

However, when you compare more closely at the novel range, the trend is different. Loose Id becomes one of the most expensive, if not THE most expensive in the novel range of publisher. Part of this is due to the high level of inconsistency among their pricing, and you can see the Loose Id Line (blue) jumps up and down quite a bit. 

 

 

 

 

Bottom line

 

This is a fascinating pricing trend. At the fling level, Loose Id is all over the map pricing wise. However even with the inconsistent pricing of $3.99 to $4.99, your novella prices are some of the cheapest (ie. 28k for $3.99) and some of the most expensive ($3.99 for 8k words). The wide disparity makes it difficult for you as a consumer to know if you’re getting a good deal.

 

Furthermore you could easily be paying $1 (or more) for a shorter book. Since no one is really going to be that vigilant – not even me and I’ve done all this work – I find it very off putting that Loose Id is so loose with their pricing. I can find no consistent and apparent reason for the wide variety in pricing and categories. Not to mention you could be paying the most of any publisher for some of the upper range and rather sketchy “novel plus” category.

 

Is Loose Id worth your money?

 

Here is the real question and it’s so subjective. I doubt my analysis will hurt Loose Id any but anyone who’s bothered to read it should be aware that you may have better bang for your buck and you should look for the cheaper books. If it’s at the bottom of the price range, you’re probably safe to buy. The upper price range and you should KNOW you’re likely paying more. But what can you do? You can’t get it cheaper elsewhere if you want it and they must tread on that.

 

What this has done for me is that I didn’t go back and buy the 30 or so books I had wanted when doing this. They stood out and I immediately coveted, yet knowing this pricing problem I won’t do that. If it had ended up as Loose Id is consistent and on par with publishers me and the 30 books would have been a match. Very sad. 

As always, I’d love to hear your thoughts

 

Sunday

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 Hi everyone!

 

Happy Sunday, I hope you’re not all suffering from Halloween hangovers. Thank you everyone for participating in the week of give aways. I broke my own record numbers on a few days and already I heard from readers and authors that those who won went back and bought several other backlist books. So I hope everyone enjoys their books and buys more from the authors. Backlists contain gems too!

 

For mystery lovers I’m going to recommend Murder on Camac by Joseph DeMarco. My review comes out at Rainbow Reviews next week but it’s a great story and definitely worth reading. My only sadness was there are no more! Great PI characters should be series.

 

Tomorrow is my Loose Id Analysis and as I’ve said it’s fascinating! I’ve spent a lot of time on this and am excited to add it to the list. Then I need a new target – any suggestions? There are numerous publishers I still haven’t gotten to (Phaze, Changeling, Amber(!), MLR, Total-E-Bound, Liquid Silver, Cobblestone, Aspen Mountain, and others) so any preferences or suggestions?

 

If any of the winners end up posting reviews of their books (small or large) please let me know! I’d love to forward any feedback to the authors and even twitter-sized reviews are welcome. Can’t beat 140 letter review. 


Wankfests – daily occurance

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With the wankfests going around on the blogs (and well they always go around, new week different wank), it’s important to remember that reviewers are just readers with opinions. Hopefully articulate and well-written opinions but in the end no reviewer should ever influence a writer on the “correct” way to write anything.

 

Just as there are those readers that crave historically accurate books, there are an equal number that won’t care if the Mr. Darcy character pulls out a cell phone to call his love interest in the historical setting.  This can be applied to every single genre, theme, and content. I can – and do – point out books I think are bad for various reasons but I guarantee you every book I hate, there are several who LOVE that book to it’s very core.

 

When going over the current wankfests about “right” way to write BDSM, I think this quote from TeddyPig says it all (hope it’s ok to repost):

 

I think it’s OK to say “that is not my personal kink” but I don’t run around lecturing people on the “proper way” to write BDSM stories. I might discuss reasons for my likes and dislikes and provide other fact based sources for research but that is different.

It’s Friday! Coming up…

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Hi all! It’s Friday!!! I’m so happy it’s Friday and a weekend and Halloween weekend I could dance. But I won’t since I’m a horrible dancer. Anyway, I have a couple more reviews coming up. Tomorrow check out the review of a new young adult book called “Twilight Gods” that I’d love to have some comments on.

 

In other news, do you know that the entire month of November, All Romance Ebooks (ARe) is fulfilling wishes? Every day in Novemeber, ARe will buy one user’s wishlist. Just like that. Christmas certainly has come early and to enter for that day’s drawing you simply need to buy a book. I mean seriously, how many of you out there DON’T buy 7 books a week? So maybe space it out and get entered into the drawing. Don’t forget to make your wishlist though!

 

I think this is a really neat contest and here is the official email from ARe if you didn’t get it.

 

Want to win all the books on your wish list?

 

ARe turns 3 in November and we’ll celebrate by making your wishes come true!

 

Every day in November we will choose a winner at random from that day’s purchasers and buy them the books they have on their wish list. *

 

To participate simply fill your account wish list with books you’d like to read (be sure to log in first) and then every day that you’ve made a purchase, you’ll be eligible to win.

 

So what are you waiting for? Head to your All Romance/OmniLit account and start making out your wish list so we can make your wishes come true!

 

*up to $100.00 per customer

 

Also coming up on Monday is my publisher pricing report (a few days late) but this one is fascinating. Cocktease helped me out and suggested Loose Id and wow! I think you’ll be really surprised about this result, I know I was. It was also tough looking at their backlist and seeing a bunch of interesting titles and covers that drew my eye. Attracted to the pretty and shiny, even if I know it’ll be bad? Yea that’s me.  I still covet several books off their backlist. But be sure to check back for their pricing breakdown on Monday – it’s incredible.

 

Also next week is my analysis of the poll I did 2 weeks ago. I was curious about buying habits and the answers were very interesting. They prompted to do a little more research and the results of which you’ll see next week. Sure to be a packed first week of November! If you haven’t voted in the poll, you still can HERE!

 

Pricing cont’d – Noble Romance Publishing

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Welcome back to the pricing series where I look at various electronic publisher (specifically those offering M/M romance) and try to analyze their pricing structure. For those new to this, I’m trying to compare publishers within themselves for consistency and against other publishers for sheer cost. What is the best “bang for the buck” for consumers. Please keep in mind I do not take cover art, editing or lack thereof, customer service, and quality into consideration. This is strictly a numbers game. 

A list of past posts HERE!

 

Today’s look is at Noble Romance Publishing Think Kink! I’ll shorten them to NRP. I like the catchy title but most consumers aren’t really aware of this publisher. They seem to be quiet, under the radar a bit and don’t have the same buzz as other more well known publishers. This could partially be the low number of available books from Noble. There are a total of 59 books available on the Noble website, although it doesn’t say when the company started.

 

Looking at their website, going through all 59 books is pretty easy and it’s clear there is some inconsistency. Just for reference there are 18 books listed as M/M, although one is M/M/F. So really for pure M/M enthusiasts this is 17, which is 28%. Roughly 1/3 of Noble books are M/M so that’s still worth checking out.

 

This particular analysis is different from others since Noble Romance is not listed on FW. Complaining of this, the Cocktease tells me now ARe/OmniLit (my preferred vendor) is now offering word counts. Thanks! So let’s use ARe listed word counts with the same caveats as before. Unfortunately of the 59 available books at Noble, only 34 are available at ARe as of today and none are available at FW. Perhaps this is why few readers are very aware of the publisher.

 

NRP categories are pretty easy and clearly listed:

 

Anthologies            $6

Collections             $4.50    15-20k words

Naughty Nibbles     $1.99      5-10k words

Novellas                 $4.50    15-20k words

Novels                    $5.95       21k+ words

 

So let’s break down what this means more closely.

 

Anthologies – No word count listed. 3 books that contain 4 stories each for a total cost of $6 per anthology on the website.

 

$6 NRP / 20,000 words for $4.50 at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=35

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-spankmeonceanthology-17546-144.html

 

$6 NRP / 26,851 for $5.00 at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=45

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-spankmetwiceanthology-79510-145.html

 

Third anthology is not listed at ARe.

 

Collections – 5 novellas listed for $4.50 each. 4 are up at ARe so here is the breakdown:

 

$4.50 NRP / 17,000 words for $3.50 at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=24

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-fridayschildsexualhealing-17724-143.html

 

 

$4.50 NRP / 26,800 words for $3.50 at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=26

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-mondayschildkissandspell-17719-140.html

 

$4.50 NRP / 18,000 words for $3.50 at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=30

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-saturdayschildstormsaturdaynight-17725-146.html

 

$4.50 NRP / 30,500 words for $3.50 at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=31

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-sundayschildthewiseguy-17726-140.html

 

 

 

Naughty Nibbles – 5-10k words.

There is some discrepancy here with an earlier wording of “Tryst” used on some books. Of the 13 books listed:

 

1 Naughty Nibble for $1.50 NRP/ Not at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=49

 

2 Trysts for $1.99 (1 listed at ARe)

 

$1.99 NRP / 5,000 words for $1.99 at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=25

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-valentinesvindication-17704-144.html

 

9 Naughty Nibbles for $1.99 (5 not listed at ARe)

 

$1.99 NRP / 4,700 words for $0.99 at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=40

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-thedate-17710-144.html

 

$1.99 NRP / 5,000 words for $1.99 at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=41

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-bestunspoken-80066-144.html

 

$1.99 NRP / 7,000 words for $0.99 at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=39

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-doublejeopardy-17714-144.html

 

$1.99 NRP / 13,000 words for $1.50 at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=22

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-beautifulccksucker-17707-144.html

 

 

1 Naughty Nibble for $2.50 NRP/ Not at ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=54

 

 

So what does this mean? Well if you can generally trust the word counts in comparison to one another (leave off the comparison to actual word count just for now) then the cost per word is all over the place. Especially taking into consideration the price discounts at the third party e-tailer – here ARe. I know this is common with publishers and Noble is by far not the only one doing this, others are as well as I’ve stated previously. So again, readers shop smartly for the best price. It likely isn’t at the publisher’s. Not to mention there is some confusion between the two names – Tryst and Naughty Nibble – for the same length of book and a wide range of cost from $1.50 to $2.50 on the publisher site and $0.99 to $1.99 on ARe. This is pretty pricey.

 

Novellas – 18 books listed from $4.00 to $4.75.

2 for $4.00

2 for $4.75

14 for $4.50

 

$4.50 NRP/ 9,000 for $2.00 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=36

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-onenightinbangkok-17715-144.html

 

$4.00 NRP/ 14,000 for $3.00 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=52

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-sinfullydelicious-89353-144.html

 

$4.50 NRP/ 19,500 for $3.00 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=42

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-onceinabluemoon-82269-139.html

 

$4.50 NRP/ 20,000 for $3.50 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=34

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-hourispleasure-17716-143.html

 

$4.50 NRP/ 20,900 for $3.50 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=33

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-theirlover-17702-144.html

 

$4.50 NRP/ 30,000 for $3.00 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=47

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-betrothedtotheenemy-89349-144.html

 

$4.50 NRP/ 23,000 for $3.50 ARe / My count 24,080

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=32

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-ifiwerealady-17703-144.html

 

$4.50 NRP/ 32,000 for $5.00 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=60

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-absintheeyesandotherlies-89958-140.html


$4.50 NRP/ My Count is 32,500

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=56

$4.50 NRP/ My Count is 20,200

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=50

$4.50 NRP/ My Count is 18,100

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=37

$4.75 NRP/ 19,700 for $5.00
http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-damngorgeous-363684-140.html
https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=58

 

$4.75 NRP/ My Count (I couldn’t find the book but I know I have it!)

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=57

 

 

Now this is disturbing. While not all the novellas are listed on ARe the ones that are vary widely in price and word count available on ARe versus available on the publisher’s website. Even if the word counts are off, they are all off by the same amount so the inconsistency shown above is disconcerting. Paying more for 10,000 less words is shocking. While all publishers DO discount on third party retailers, I’d hope it’d be consistent in some way otherwise how can you tell you’re getting a good price?

 

Novels – 20 listed for $5.95. 11 were listed on ARe as follows:

 

$5.95 NRP/ 32,650 for $4.50 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=23

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-goodguysdeservebadgirls-79509-140.html

 

$5.95 NRP/ 47,000 for $6.00 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=8

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-deadlydreams-13191-144.html

 

$5.95 NRP/ 50,000 for $5.95 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=21

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-redribbonsinherhair-13508-144.html

 

$5.95 NRP/ 50,000 for $5.95 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=19

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-sextoysandnaughtyboys-13503-147.html

 

$5.95 NRP/ 50,000 for $5.95 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=17

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-calliesshadow-13316-144.html

 

$5.95 NRP/ 58,000 for $5.95 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=20

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-decadentdeceptions-13314-144.html

 

$5.95 NRP/ 60,000 for $4.00 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=46

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-calenmysoultokeeptrilogy-89348-140.html

 

$5.95 NRP/ 61,666 for $5.95 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=15

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-biteme-13317-147.html


$5.95 NRP/ 62,000 for $4.50 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=38

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-fivedaysinfrisco-17713-144.html

 

$5.95 NRP/ 65,700 for $5.95 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=16

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-deadlysecrets-13318-147.html

 

$5.95 NRP/ 75,000 for $6.00 ARe

https://www.nobleromance.com/ItemDisplay.aspx?i=18

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/product-bloodline-12670-144.html

 

Here you pay anywhere from $4 to $6 on ARe for counts from 32,000 to 75,000. The range and variety between the two (publisher and retailer) is enough to cast some doubt. NRP is very consistent on their website but the price at a retailer varies wildly.

 

So let’s look at what this means in comparison.
When comparing NRP’s website by categories and pricing, here is the breakdown.

 

As always when offering the same price for higher counts, the cost per word goes down. Also the cost per word decreases as the length of the book increases even when it’s a more expensive, longer book.

 

But let’s look at an internal comparison of word counts…

 

 

Here I went by the word counts listed at ARe and compared the price buying from ARe or buying from the NRP website. It’s rather inconsistent but clearly your best bet money wise is to buy from ARe.

 

 

But how does this compare to other publishers?

 

Here since there are no word counts from FW I had to use ARe for all the publishers. I had to go back and re-enter all the publishers word counts from ARe (which does differ from FW) so they all had the same internal comparison. Yes this sucked.

 

But what this shows is that Noble is actually one of the more pricey publishers. Their shorter works are erratic with pricing but this gradually levels out similar to other publishers and the longer novels are all basically equivalent. Noble (the dark blue) tends to be higher in cost than most publishers but only by a small margin that may or may not be important.

 

Looking a little closer at the novella and novel price comparison shows this clearly.

 

 

 

 

So what does all of this mean!?!?

 

Well NRP is mostly consistent within their website. 15% of the books in their rather small catalog are outliers that fall – price wise – outside of their general price. The biggest aspect is that the price listed on NRP’s website is not always the best price. In fact, although it’s consistent within CATEGORY, it may not be a good deal for your money. The wide variety in price and word count on ARe show that the best price is often looking there. You can sometimes save more than $2 which is quite a difference in cost.

 

As for comparison with other publishers, Noble tends to be higher in cost than other publishers, often costing more than our most expensive publisher so far, Dreamspinner. Part of this I attribute to the relatively small catalog of books and what seems to be a publisher still in flux. The changing of names and prices on some books tends to reflect published dates as well (older published work seems to be less expensive while the newest novellas are more expensive). I believe the cost differences in the categories are due to shorter/longer word counts than the averages but it’s almost impossible to tell with the craziness on ARe.

 

Also keep in mind the relative difference in cost is still rather small. Noble is the most expensive, but what is the real difference? Depending on the book, this could be pennies or dollars.

 

Bottom line.

 

Noble Romance is comparatively costly. They are somewhat consistent if buying off the website but you tend to pay considerably more. Buying off All Romance Ebooks/OmniLit will get you a better price but also highly inconsistent prices for word count. Hopefully there will be some kind of consistency soon as the publisher has a nice website and better than average cover art. Not to mention the customer service is superb.

 

As always – your opinions.

 

BTW – I apologize for the rather EPIC nature of this post.